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Rhaze36
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 My Opinion on cheats

Ok Yall grab a coffeee and cigarette this is gonna take awhile and I do appologize for the lenght.

I guess its my turn now,Ive been gettin cheat letters too. WTF! I could care less about the h2h's ok people? theres not much competition in class 5 so that leaves what? rates right? well,Has anyone nopticed that I havent won lately? Its because I didnt promote or I just care less about winning. I was satisfied for the outcome of last cycles contest,I have nothing to prove now.Yall have let me know that even if I dont have a lot of money I still looked good enough for a trophy,and I am satisfied whith that.

These points I've been getting lately are from working the installs and giving as well as recieving points THE HARD WAY ! The way I've allways done it,and if thats hard to beleive just check allmost any install and see if I've left good marks and rates,therefore I get good rates in return.
Duuhh Doesnt that make sence?Some people think that just because they have a beautifull car that that is all they have to have in order to win,guess what? most cars here have the same thing in them and are looking pretty much a like and these things are a little boring after awhile,know what I mean?
Its things that stick out that get noticed more so than the same usall things ok? So you have to do more than just show your car, you have to get in there and talk to people, get them to notice and vote for ya as well, and perhaps if the people who have all this and that in there cars will open theyre minds and see others for what "work and heart" they have in theres they will get noticed as well.Money is not everything,as Ive said befor to a lot of the "rich kids" People will trust a "heart" person more than a "dollar" person and they will like them for what they are not what they have.
Ok now that that is clear, let me say this. I havent said much or voiced my opinion lately cause of my being amazed about my own score.
Seems M.B. is doing rather well,and I'm glad of that.In fact its doing better now than last cycle,and it feels kinda weird cause I'm used to seeing oldskool ahead of me as well as Justin,Maybe I'm being dumb or something, but Oldskool (I feel is better than M.B.)should be right on up here as well,(But on the same token,no offense to oldskool or Justin,I'm glad theyre not)Does that make me a cheater?

Ok, second thing,I know most of the people here are very good on there installs,in Fact I wish I had the Talent that these guys have and the skills (Money as well)Some people say That I do, I might but I cant see it myself,(maybe I'm a little down on my self but thats the way I see it)In any case these skills and talents are nothing to sneeze at,and shouldnt be wasted on trying to be put down on.
Even My Haters are very talented, But I can not down them cause they dont like what I did, I can defend my self by saying whats on my mind about a comment, but I cant tell them they arent any good cause they are ya know? however, I cant spent much time going around dissing either,I have to just keep my head up and let the people tell me what they think ya know? Thats where the talent really shows ya know?

Ok third thing, These accusations of people cheating should be brought out in the open maybe in the forums ( with proof of course so that they can be settled(which is somewhat being done)
I have to say that most of the ones doing the accusing ought to check themselves rather closely,cause theres alot of ways to cheat.
for example, picking on an install that is very clearly not in the same level to get easy points isnt exactly right ya know?
( on both sides a lot of people have been doing that (I'd venture to say half of the people here are or have been doing that,( myself included).If yall noticed most of the high pointers h2h's have been won by enormous score slides like 40 - 10 or 50 -15 etc now common sense dictates that either the looser is way outclassed or the winner is having a lot of outside hits (which is ok cause "promoting" is legal remember?
Now if its because of outclassing,shouldnt common sense say not to go against some one you know will beat you? isnt that sort of like here take my points?wouldnt that be considered cheating? If so Then every one here is in default of that,and That makes everyone a cheater right? And if you think you havent done it then you are denying the truth right?

Ok fourth thing,I will not step into arguments or h2h's or turn on any of my buds (unless I think one of my buds are defanently wrong in there desisions)and on those occasions I will make it where I wont loose out on a friendship.Hince I wont vote on an h2h between buds unless they both make me do it( ya know what I mean!)
Unless I feel a bud is really screwing up,I wont interfear with there arguments and I hope that they wont hold it against me as well.

Fifth thing,And I know I'm gonna be dogged on this but its gotta be said. Every one knows who has been getting all these promoted votes put on there installs,even the ones who are accussing each other are doing it to each other as well(actually I think its kinda funny) Theyers even one who blatantly told you what he's doing yet noones even disputed against him!.
( I'm sorry Time but this is where I know youll probably kill me,I am very hopefull you arent too mad at me but This stuff of name calling has to stop)When Time Told yall these things out in the open,No one I mean NOONE even dreamed of calling him a cheat,Why is that? Is everyone afraid of Timekeeper? He's just like everyone else here He's human yall!!Everyone acts so scared of him. I do have the utmost respect for him,but after all He cant win all the time Some one has to eventually and it will happen.Its only natural. When others doit everyone wants to call them all kinds of names.And even spread nasty stuff about them.Remember the big Promtion war? Well if common sense rules, wouldnt it be kinda hard to even want to put your car against ether one of them after that? I mean If these guys can get that many votes that easy,what makes you think they will " allow" you to win against them? especially if you get them mad at you? Think about that people! wake up!!. For example I am watching one person accusing someone else right now of cheating,yet has maybe a 3% loss rate on his record and a 97% win rate.and his wins are very sketchy at best in allmost all his h2h's.

Sixth thing.I personally think that since the moderaters or whoever runs this site,cant seem to get these issues settled, We ought to get a panel of regulars here that are willing to take time to get a new set of rules drawn up for this site's h2h battles.
such as No outside h2h votes are allowed.To be able to control this type of situation,we can choose a system that will allow only members of this site who are not currently battling,to vote.and in order to vote must at least be a certified judge,or a Pro judge.(that is just an example that could be voted on by the members of this site)
On rateing an install, then outsiders may participate in that part,but the points receved by the outsiders would not count towards a trophy,just a type of recognition of bringing new members in through there install.
maybe some sort of freebe to that particular member such as a special discount on an item in one of the stores etc...

Seventh thing,Its very unprofessional to be calling each other these bad things.It refects the image you project of yourself when others are reading these posts.And I'm loosing my interest in this site as well due to these funny things going on around here.
Maybe thats really the purpose (cant spell) of these things in the first place. Has anyone thought of that?To diss this site?

And lastly,I'm probably gonna get flamed for all of this,but I really like it here,but these things have got to stop People,These trophies are just trophies.The real deal is in the live shows ok? Thats where the skill is really at all though this site is good for showing your car,It has been proven several times over that phonies get on here as well.And I think that these installs that are not verified should not be allowed votes or rates untill verified(and that would be in the inlisting process when the install is first listed,I mean,if the install can be shown right then,then why cant it be verified as well? (I know that there are exceptions hince they should be allowed to be shown,but not voted or rated on untill verified.)

So I guess this is all I have to say and I'm sorry for taking so long to do it,But I had to let my thoughts out and If you hate me for it,I'm sorry but if you think I'm right then,lets try to work this out. Thanx for letting me voice my opps people.Btw No matter what comes out of this,I will still be apart of this site and I will continue to help as many as I can as well

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NiteScort
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well im not gonna quote ya cause holy crap thats a big post! and Rhaze... "Break Return" is your friend! LOL. just do a < br > (without the spaces when you want to start a new paragraph).

now that the humor is done. i agree with just about every point you made. the h2hs need a serious revamp to eliminate cheating if it even can be eliminated. i dont mind Timekeeper promoting because he rarely h2hs and his car should be a points leader everytime anyway. why should he lose to people with vastly inferior installs who make it a point to h2h every new gallery that pops up for max points even though its again...vastly inferior... to theirs. because they will do anything to win.

for some people winning a trophy is all that its about. hell i have a good ratio of wins to losses but if you look, most of them were by very narrow margins. i also went after some installs that could be considered inferior to mine but that was only when i first started H2Hing and i was a puss! LOL. notice most of my recent h2hs were against comparable or superior installs and i have the losses to show for it! hehe.

H2H votes from outside the forum should be forbidden. there are members who have access to many computers be it at school or work and you cant tell me some of them dont abuse that? all i can say is if they do that to win then great for them. i hope they feel awesome with their lameass wins.

as i told you before Ralph, i wont offer or accept any H2Hs next cycle because its really just no fun with the system in its current configuration...or no...better yet....ill promote like a madman, win my class and points leader and then refuse the trophies! LOL! hell im starting to think that just before the end of this cycle, ill pull my gallery just because the system sucks.

now MY post is getting long! LOL! ill stop here.

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Rhaze36
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Originally posted on 06-20-2005 by NiteScort
well im not gonna quote ya cause holy crap thats a big post! and Rhaze... "Break Return" is your friend! LOL. just do a < br > (without the spaces when you want to start a new paragraph).

now that the humor is done. i agree with just about every point you made. the h2hs need a serious revamp to eliminate cheating if it even can be eliminated. i dont mind Timekeeper promoting because he rarely h2hs and his car should be a points leader everytime anyway. why should he lose to people with vastly inferior installs who make it a point to h2h every new gallery that pops up for max points even though its again...vastly inferior... to theirs. because they will do anything to win.

for some people winning a trophy is all that its about. hell i have a good ratio of wins to losses but if you look, most of them were by very narrow margins. i also went after some installs that could be considered inferior to mine but that was only when i first started H2Hing and i was a puss! LOL. notice most of my recent h2hs were against comparable or superior installs and i have the losses to show for it! hehe.

H2H votes from outside the forum should be forbidden. there are members who have access to many computers be it at school or work and you cant tell me some of them dont abuse that? all i can say is if they do that to win then great for them. i hope they feel awesome with their lameass wins.

as i told you before Ralph, i wont offer or accept any H2Hs next cycle because its really just no fun with the system in its current configuration...or no...better yet....ill promote like a madman, win my class and points leader and then refuse the trophies! LOL! hell im starting to think that just before the end of this cycle, ill pull my gallery just because the system sucks.

now MY post is getting long! LOL! ill stop here.


That pulling right before the end sounds like what I said I was gonna do LOL.
I tried the brk thing cause I read that in another post(cant remember where) But when
I hit the submit, the only thing that came up was brkbrkbrkbrk etc.. and then I tried every way I could think of arranging that brk thing untill I had to delete the posts about 30 times!!
LOL And I'm with you as well, I said
I wasnt gonna h2h either next cycle in fact I think I'll just pull M.B from the voting scene all together cause I've been gettin nastygrams lately myself and you of people know that I aint doin nuttin! So I would just as soon let it go cause like I said M.B. done proved herself last cycle.

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Sorry about all the edits Night,I was practicimg with the < br > thing and I think I've got it.
now I gotta get it where it will skip a line or two so I can make it look better, so forgive me for getting a lot of edits ok?
Dont beat on me!!! LOL.

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WOW GUYS!!!! This was the most I have read in months in just one post..


I have to say both of you guys made some very sound points on the H2H's and especially the non-member voting.I also believe that the voters on all H2H's should only be members of this site,with at the very least being a OCAC Certified Judge before they can judge.And yes Nite is right by saying that alot of these guys have access to many computers that they can use to throw the whole H2H in there favor.

I personally think that when you promote your ride "especially during a H2H" that it should be promoted within the site only,and not scattered around the net like bait waiting for the fish to bite.Because I wouldnt doubt one bit that alot of the promotions that are placed on other sites are direct links to the vote button on there personal H2H,which makes it impossible to vote for the best install because they had it set up to where you vote for there install regardless if you wanted to or not..

And I know that even if I did have a digital camera "wished I could afford one..LOL!!" I doubt very seriously I would even place my car stereo install on this site,due to the fact that I also dont want to fall victim of all the hating and cheating that has been going on for a good while now.Damn it sucks being on a fixed income..LOL!!

Regardless if you want it or not,Rhaze and Nite both of you guys have always got my vote in your H2H's with others unless you go against each other.I just couldnt vote for one over the other "you know what I mean :P" it would just not be fair since both of your installs are super sweet and that you two are my friends.

My hands are cramping now so I am finally down blabbering..LOL!!

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by Rhaze36
Sorry about all the edits Night,I was practicimg with the < br > thing and I think I've got it.
now I gotta get it where it will skip a line or two so I can make it look better, so forgive me for getting a lot of edits ok?
Dont beat on me!!! LOL.


just do...

< br >< br >

to skip a line.

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by NiteScort
just do...

< br >< br >

to skip a line.


Thanx for the "edacatin" Nite! as I've said before I'm still learning this machine and I do appreciate the patience and time to help this old dog new tricks.

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by xxwiredxx
WOW GUYS!!!! This was the most I have read in months in just one post..


I have to say both of you guys made some very sound points on the H2H's and especially the non-member voting.I also believe that the voters on all H2H's should only be members of this site,with at the very least being a OCAC Certified Judge before they can judge.And yes Nite is right by saying that alot of these guys have access to many computers that they can use to throw the whole H2H in there favor.

I personally think that when you promote your ride "especially during a H2H" that it should be promoted within the site only,and not scattered around the net like bait waiting for the fish to bite.Because I wouldnt doubt one bit that alot of the promotions that are placed on other sites are direct links to the vote button on there personal H2H,which makes it impossible to vote for the best install because they had it set up to where you vote for there install regardless if you wanted to or not..

And I know that even if I did have a digital camera "wished I could afford one..LOL!!" I doubt very seriously I would even place my car stereo install on this site,due to the fact that I also dont want to fall victim of all the hating and cheating that has been going on for a good while now.Damn it sucks being on a fixed income..LOL!!

Regardless if you want it or not,Rhaze and Nite both of you guys have always got my vote in your H2H's with others unless you go against each other.I just couldnt vote for one over the other "you know what I mean :P" it would just not be fair since both of your installs are super sweet and that you two are my friends.

My hands are cramping now so I am finally down blabbering..LOL!!


Thanx Wired,I know and I appreciate it. and I know Nite does as well. Ever since My ISP went off line a few days ago, and took me allmost a week to get back on, things around here has turned rather sour here. But I have some good news (I think) I have found a forum I think that you,Nite, Myself,V8,Soda,Time,and a few others can try out.Its a little small right now, but its pickin up,and I kinda like it.They are a very intellegent group of people that will help as well as have a little fun too.Yall just email me if ya want to know and try it.

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by Rhaze36
Thanx Wired,I know and I appreciate it. and I know Nite does as well. Ever since My ISP went off line a few days ago, and took me allmost a week to get back on, things around here has turned rather sour here. But I have some good news (I think) I have found a forum I think that you,Nite, Myself,V8,Soda,Time,and a few others can try out.Its a little small right now, but its pickin up,and I kinda like it.They are a very intellegent group of people that will help as well as have a little fun too.Yall just email me if ya want to know and try it.

Your welcome Rhaze,I am a member of two other forums that you are aswell.But you havent posted anything in one forum,and the other one you have quite a few post.I will email you with the ones I am talking about,and you can hook me up with that forum you mentioned above..Later Rhaze..

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Was I part of the promotion war or was that something else. lol

Seriously though. The 1st head to head left a bad taste in my mouth. The 2nd was better since I really didn't care but I'm not sure if I deserved to win it. That was a surprise. Oh well, this is supposed to be fun.

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Originally posted on 06-22-2005 by TimeKeeper
Well now maybe I should clarify a few things. First, when I say I promote, all I've ever done is have my banner on my website at the bottom and a banner in my signiature line in the meca forum where I post. As far as my head 2 heads go, I don't promote those (other than asking you guys in here to go vote on my head 2 head), the only one I did was against Blondie because I knew he did the same. There are alot of people who know I'm on this site and they always check in on me.

Concerning the 8,000 points I got last week...funny thing is I never made any posts in any forums, I've been very scarce and all those points came from who knows where.

This site lists banners for you to use, I have one at the bottom of my web site....at the very very bottom....that's all, just a banner. Remember, my car is out there in a ton of places and whenever people see it, they check it out....I have over 19,000 hits to my page, and I never drummed up even a fraction of those, its all coming from the fact that I have a car that alot of people recognize.

I'm not mad at you Rhaze, but I just wanted to set some of the facts straight.

To be brutally honest, I did come out and say I promoted like crazy and that may have been a bit of a stretch...I was just getting tired of being called a cheat and decided to say something.


Whew I am glad I didnt get ya mad, I was trying to make a point and I know I may have been wrong for doing so,but the only thing I could figure out to do without really starting something was to use a pretty much "pre approved" name to get peoples attention,and I knew that since you had stated openly about the ways its done,you wouldnt have minded. I should have emailed you first,for that I appologize. But these guys aint doing anything different than you do (except on the h2h's{same thing but morally wrong in my opps})and yet are creating bad names foreach other.and all others that use the button.The bad thing to the button I feel is that some such as me dont have or doesnt have the tech knowledge yet to have websites etc or time etc to be on other sites etc,... to recieve such large amounts of votes,hince its (I feel)sorta disadvantagious to the people who cant get points like that.Hince creating a sorta permanat place in trophy selections. See? anyways Rules are rules, but I feel some of them should be changed,hince the post I made. Thanx. R

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Originally posted on 06-22-2005 by TimeKeeper
A few things.

First, your wrong, some people aren't doing what I'm doing...there's a few guys who are voting tons of times themselves, either at college campus computers or dial-ups, you name it. I'm not passing judgment on anyone or accusing anyone but you must admit with the amount of people on this site, it HAS to go on...there's just no way to think that it doesn't.

Second, the purpose of this site is to bring as many people to visit as possible. More hits equals more money from the sponsors and that's what they're really all about. To think that they would limit votes to members only and thus attract fewer hits is a longshot. Remember, sponsors pay by hits, and the sponsor money is what ends up paying for the trophies.

Third, you can visit my website and see the banner. http://www.meetjoeblack.net and if you go, be sure to click the banner and vote for my ca...opps, uhhh nevermind!!!


You have to remember, the voting system is based on IP addresses. People with IP Scramblers have a new IP every sec. They can just keep voting and voting on their own instal over and over again, and the system wouldn't know any better.

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Originally posted on 06-22-2005 by TimeKeeper
A few things.

First, your wrong, some people aren't doing what I'm doing...there's a few guys who are voting tons of times themselves, either at college campus computers or dial-ups, you name it. I'm not passing judgment on anyone or accusing anyone but you must admit with the amount of people on this site, it HAS to go on...there's just no way to think that it doesn't.

Second, the purpose of this site is to bring as many people to visit as possible. More hits equals more money from the sponsors and that's what they're really all about. To think that they would limit votes to members only and thus attract fewer hits is a longshot. Remember, sponsors pay by hits, and the sponsor money is what ends up paying for the trophies.

Third, you can visit my website and see the banner. http://www.meetjoeblack.net and if you go, be sure to click the banner and vote for my ca...opps, uhhh nevermind!!!


some folks just post a link to their installs vote button. people click it and dont even have a chance to choose the better install. hell i lost handily to an unfinish subbox in someones basement fer cripes sake! i dont think the person cheated but idiot voters are another problem. some will vote against someone they dislike or is beating them overall in their class and they see it as an opportunity to pass them. too many people judge just by the looks of the car too. seen too many good gallerys lose to guys with 4 pictures of the car, 3 pictures of an average install and thats it. hell ive seen 3 pictures win WITHOUT even a shot of an install!

and if this sites admins are interested in the site making money, why dont they show at least a "LITTLE" interest in maintaining and improving it instead of just being absent weeks at a time it seems. this site could be seeing triple the hits atleast if they gave a damn!

and as i stated in another post it bothers me not 1 bit that you promote your ride. you "SHOULD" be points leader anyway so maybe promoting just assures it. and agree totally with NOT promoting h2hs.

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Originally posted on 06-22-2005 by TimeKeeper
A few things.

First, your wrong, some people aren't doing what I'm doing...there's a few guys who are voting tons of times themselves, either at college campus computers or dial-ups, you name it. I'm not passing judgment on anyone or accusing anyone but you must admit with the amount of people on this site, it HAS to go on...there's just no way to think that it doesn't.

Second, the purpose of this site is to bring as many people to visit as possible. More hits equals more money from the sponsors and that's what they're really all about. To think that they would limit votes to members only and thus attract fewer hits is a longshot. Remember, sponsors pay by hits, and the sponsor money is what ends up paying for the trophies.

Third, you can visit my website and see the banner. http://www.meetjoeblack.net and if you go, be sure to click the banner and vote for my ca...opps, uhhh nevermind!!!


I agree with you 100%

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some folks just post a link to their installs vote button. people click it and dont even have a chance to choose the better install. hell i lost handily to an unfinish subbox in someones basement fer cripes sake! i dont think the person cheated but idiot voters are another problem. some will vote against someone they dislike or is beating them overall in their class and they see it as an opportunity to pass them. too many people judge just by the looks of the car too. seen too many good gallerys lose to guys with 4 pictures of the car, 3 pictures of an average install and thats it. hell ive seen 3 pictures win WITHOUT even a shot of an install!

and if this sites admins are interested in the site making money, why dont they show at least a "LITTLE" interest in maintaining and improving it instead of just being absent weeks at a time it seems. this site could be seeing triple the hits atleast if they gave a damn!

and as i stated in another post it bothers me not 1 bit that you promote your ride. you "SHOULD" be points leader anyway so maybe promoting just assures it. and agree totally with NOT promoting h2hs.


Thanx thats what I'm sayin!

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