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DiamondRav4
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 Ok...all I want is SQ SQ SQ damn it...

Ok. I need a SOUND QUALITY sub. Whatever sub/subs I buy will be powered by ONE JL 500/1 amp that I already have. I have planned on using a sealed enclosure. I listen to alot of techno, metal, rock. I need sound quality that is very tight, quick, and VERY hard punchy. I figured I would use one 12 inch sub. I'm guessing I will probably crossover at about 65-80Hz, but not sure yet. So far what I've come up with is Diamond Audio D6 12", Image Dynamics IDMAX v3 12", Alpine Type-R 12", Alpine Type-X 12", JL 12W6. I'm open to opinions on other SOUND QUALITY subs as well. Please, only respond if you have a useful opinion on SOUND QUALITY subs. I've searched this forum and haven't really found any posts where anyone give good info on SQ subs. I've found plenty of SQL, but I'm not exactly looking for SQL. I want sound quality. Can anyone help???

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 RE: Ok...all I want is SQ SQ SQ damn it...

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by DiamondRav4
Ok. I need a SOUND QUALITY sub. Whatever sub/subs I buy will be powered by ONE JL 500/1 amp that I already have. I have planned on using a sealed enclosure. I listen to alot of techno, metal, rock. I need sound quality that is very tight, quick, and VERY hard punchy. I figured I would use one 12 inch sub. I'm guessing I will probably crossover at about 65-80Hz, but not sure yet. So far what I've come up with is 1. Dimaond Audio D6 12 2. Image Dynamics IDMAX v3 12 3. Alpine Type-R 12 4. Alpine Type-X 12 5. JL 12W6 I'm open to opinions on other SOUND QUALITY subs as well. Please, only respond if you have a useful opinion on SOUND QUALITY subs. I've searched this forum and haven't really found any posts where anyone give good info on SQ subs. I've found plenty of SQL, but I'm not exactly looking for SQL. I want sound quality. Can anyone help???

w6, mtx 8500, and IDmax have all been very highly rated by CA&E for sq. But I wouldn't be afraid to try the diamond either (i still need to hear those things).

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DiamondRav4
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 RE: RE: Ok...all I want is SQ SQ SQ damn it...

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by FitzyG
w6, mtx 8500, and IDmax have all been very highly rated by CA&E for sq. But I wouldn't be afraid to try the diamond either (i still need to hear those things).

I'm really leaning toward the w6 or idmax. Everyone seems to say that the idmax is just kickass. But, i'm afraid the idmax won't be as much sq as it is spl. the digital design looks really nice, but i'm afraid it is more spl than sq. i've never heard either of them personally.

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 RE: RE: RE: Ok...all I want is SQ SQ SQ damn it...

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by DiamondRav4
I'm really leaning toward the w6 or idmax. Everyone seems to say that the idmax is just kickass. But, i'm afraid the idmax won't be as much sq as it is spl. the digital design looks really nice, but i'm afraid it is more spl than sq. i've never heard either of them personally.

12w6v2 is tight and loud in a 1.25 sealed box with 400w to it. the 500/1 is ideal for it.

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loumill
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If you are looking for tight, try to get ahold of (2) 10 INCH W6 anniversary editions, you would pay about the same for those two as 1 12, I am the same way with SQ over SPL, I have a 12 inch L7 that I have in a sealed box and it is very tight but I am after the sound of 2 tens, I will be getting 2 Boston G5 at the end of the summer, the G5 have amazing SQ

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ExcessLancer
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 So you want SQ then?!

here is alist of things to do to get it: 1a. Head untit must have at least 4volt pre out and high bit rate DACs or equiv. 1. Use seperate amps for bass and highs & mids 2. use electronic cross overs set to 20% over lap 3. make sure your speakers and eclosures match the frequencies you will be sending them! 4. make sure your amps give 25% more power than your speaker rated power for bass and highs and mids 5. Do not use head unit processing! 6. use extrenal EQs and preamps 7. Wire + and - power wires direct to battery poles 8. wire headunit and preamps and eqs dirct to battery 9. Set amp gains for optimal speaker efficiency 10. set phase shift to emphasize rolloff accuracy 11. use best quality speakers specs wise you can afford and make sure passive xovers are used! for mids and highs. IF YOU ARE REALY KEEN... 12. highs and mids configured with constant directivity and ring mode decoupling! 13. Line aray style mid and high enclosures with titanium compression drivers.

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NiteScort
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 RE: So you want SQ then?!

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by ExcessLancer
here is alist of things to do to get it: 1a. Head untit must have at least 4volt pre out and high bit rate DACs or equiv. 1. Use seperate amps for bass and highs & mids 2. use electronic cross overs set to 20% over lap 3. make sure your speakers and eclosures match the frequencies you will be sending them! 4. make sure your amps give 25% more power than your speaker rated power for bass and highs and mids 5. Do not use head unit processing! 6. use extrenal EQs and preamps 7. Wire + and - power wires direct to battery poles 8. wire headunit and preamps and eqs dirct to battery 9. Set amp gains for optimal speaker efficiency 10. set phase shift to emphasize rolloff accuracy 11. use best quality speakers specs wise you can afford and make sure passive xovers are used! for mids and highs. IF YOU ARE REALY KEEN... 12. highs and mids configured with constant directivity and ring mode decoupling! 13. Line aray style mid and high enclosures with titanium compression drivers.

not saying some of that isnt decent info but he just wants tight bass with good sq.good hu, good amp, good sub, good box, good gain and filter settings, good wiring. dont need external x-overs, dont need eq. and 12 and 13 make me giggle! hehe. hell he can even have average equipment and still get loud, tight bass if his box is good and settings are right.

not slammin ya excess, your info was ok but it was...well...excessive! LOL

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 RE: So you want SQ then?!

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by ExcessLancer
here is alist of things to do to get it: 1a. Head untit must have at least 4volt pre out and high bit rate DACs or equiv. 1. Use seperate amps for bass and highs & mids 2. use electronic cross overs set to 20% over lap 3. make sure your speakers and eclosures match the frequencies you will be sending them! 4. make sure your amps give 25% more power than your speaker rated power for bass and highs and mids 5. Do not use head unit processing! 6. use extrenal EQs and preamps 7. Wire + and - power wires direct to battery poles 8. wire headunit and preamps and eqs dirct to battery 9. Set amp gains for optimal speaker efficiency 10. set phase shift to emphasize rolloff accuracy 11. use best quality speakers specs wise you can afford and make sure passive xovers are used! for mids and highs. IF YOU ARE REALY KEEN... 12. highs and mids configured with constant directivity and ring mode decoupling! 13. Line aray style mid and high enclosures with titanium compression drivers.

LOL @ that entire post.....

Back on topic; OZ Audio Matrix Elite & Soundsplinter Rl-p

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LOL @ that entire post.....

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well i was tryin to be polite Squeak but....

what Squeak said. LOL!

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DiamondRav4
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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by ExcessLancer
here is alist of things to do to get it: 1a. Head untit must have at least 4volt pre out and high bit rate DACs or equiv. 1. Use seperate amps for bass and highs & mids 2. use electronic cross overs set to 20% over lap 3. make sure your speakers and eclosures match the frequencies you will be sending them! 4. make sure your amps give 25% more power than your speaker rated power for bass and highs and mids 5. Do not use head unit processing! 6. use extrenal EQs and preamps 7. Wire + and - power wires direct to battery poles 8. wire headunit and preamps and eqs dirct to battery 9. Set amp gains for optimal speaker efficiency 10. set phase shift to emphasize rolloff accuracy 11. use best quality speakers specs wise you can afford and make sure passive xovers are used! for mids and highs. IF YOU ARE REALY KEEN... 12. highs and mids configured with constant directivity and ring mode decoupling! 13. Line aray style mid and high enclosures with titanium compression drivers.

Ok. Reread original post..."Please, only respond if you have a useful opinion on SOUND QUALITY subs." The direct object of that sentence would be "subs." Thanks for the input, but it's of no use and hardly addresses the original subject matter. Again, reread original post.

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LOL @ that entire post.....

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Yeah, I've considered the Soundsplinter, but not having heard it personally I was a bit concerned that it would be more SPL than I was looking for..??

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Yeah, I've considered the Soundsplinter, but not having heard it personally I was a bit concerned that it would be more SPL than I was looking for..??

Nope. It's an "SQL" sub just like everything else you listed. Definitely sounds excellent and has great sound quality (I have one), but does also have the ability to get pretty loud if you want it to (just like every other sub mentioned). It isn't any more SPL oriented than an IDMax is, for example.

And Mike from Soundsplinter is honestly one of the greatest people to deal with in the business. Customer service and support is top notch.

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 RE: SQ sub, huh?

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Exactly how do you know what type of "sound quality" a sub has? What kind of detail can you hear in them? Does the percussion sound lifelike? Does it sound like Winston Marsallis is playing the freakin' trumpet in your trunk? Subs are very inaccurate above 10". Even a 10" sub is not very accurate. Especially running a class d monoblock amplifier. Those things have very high levels of distortion, but the distortion is basically inaudible at the frequencies a sub will play. I would suggest erasing your original post and re-write it in a manner that makes more sense. Something like "I need a sub that is not boomy". How bout that. Then I will give you my advice. But not until you rectify that horrendous spectacle of a post that you called SQ. Sincerely, Pokemon

LOL @ this entire post also......

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Originally posted on 06-21-2005 by pokemon
Exactly how do you know what type of "sound quality" a sub has? What kind of detail can you hear in them? Does the percussion sound lifelike? Does it sound like Winston Marsallis is playing the freakin' trumpet in your trunk? Subs are very inaccurate above 10". Even a 10" sub is not very accurate. Especially running a class d monoblock amplifier. Those things have very high levels of distortion, but the distortion is basically inaudible at the frequencies a sub will play. I would suggest erasing your original post and re-write it in a manner that makes more sense. Something like "I need a sub that is not boomy". How bout that. Then I will give you my advice. But not until you rectify that horrendous spectacle of a post that you called SQ. Sincerely, Pokemon

Apparently ExcessLancer is a friend of yours and you have taken my response to him personally, or so it would seem. It would seem you feel like you need to act like an ass on his behalf. If I'm wrong, I apologize. "Something like "I need a sub that is not boomy". How bout that." Well, I use the terms interchangeably. Now, post me a list of appropriate adjectives with their associated definitions so I can change my wording. Until then, I'll treat your response as is, silly and assanine. "How bout that?" Sincerely, Me. PS - I'm new to car audio, and subsequently haven't developed my "car audio jargon." I'm learning. So, drop the sarcasm or do both of us a favor and don't respond to my post(s). And, I do know where the car audio glossary is on the forum, so don't mention it. And, don't bother telling me not to start a sentence with the word "and," it's an old school rule.

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Look into the boston g5 series sub

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